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3 PASES FIVE TO EIGHT VH', Volume II. Chanute, Neosho County, Kansas, January 12, 1906. No. 49 The Same Old Question. Then when he did go on the witness bly be called this afternoon to give 'his deposition.

No testimony w.i-i lion I allowable, I would sr, That it Isi all in the Standard oil ladley Prodding Rogers taken this morning, the attorneys bc crs' aslhma might be aggravated by in the supremo court, where the question of Rogers being forced to answer is pending. tween the Waters-Pierce Oil company anil the Standard Oil Company am; why they were made. Damaging Testimony. New York, Jan. 8.

Mrs. Butts resumed the stand in the oil hearing today. She testified regarding the formation of the present Standard Oil The Standard wanted the. Rogers' choice of Jail, perjury or open ime. matter delayed two, weeks, lladlejlf if.

is not possible for you, with all fought for and won a decision setting the power of the great, slato of Mi3-the case for Friday, providing counsel souri behind you, to do this, 1 company. The New Jersey stock certificates which she held were read Into the record over the objection bf the Standard's counsel, who declared It was done for the benefit of the press. H. C. Hardcastle, a former employs of the Standard was called.

He had worked in the company's accounting department at Albany eight years, and was then sent to Cleveland, where ho can agree to suspend the taking of testimony until nun. Lawson to Hadlsy. Boston, Jan. 10. In reply to a tele gram from Attorney General Hadley asking him to give any informal i on In his possession regarding the relations between tho Standard Oil company of Indiana and two other oil producing corporations, Thomas W.

Lawson, of this city, last night sent a lengthy tol- souri as separate companies, win do egram to Mr. Hadley. Mr. Lawson placed before the supremo court of Informs tho attorney general that he New York state today. All the --personally knew nothing of the rela-1 Mr- ha Hons between the Standard Oil com- refused to answer by tho advice ot pany of Indiana, the Republic Oil com-j counsel in the last three days of tha went to work for the Republic Oil jaw protruded forward, and anger company, being called by a telegram I showed in every line of his counte-from Jennings, a member of the do- i nance.

He did not express It in words, mestic trade committee of the Stand but it was plain to be soen 'by The witness testified that Jen-! body, and Hadley's questions only nings previously introduced Hardcas-1 made matters worse. When the ad-tle to W. H. Tllford, one of the execu-1 journment until tomorrow was taken, tlve heads of the Standard. Tllford Rogers-stopped to say a word to Had-told him that the Standard had just ley.

Not hearing the conversation, a bought out Schofleld, Schirmer and reporter asked Rogers, "Did you get Teagle and reorganized it under the excused?" "No," said Rogers, "says name of the Republic company. "Til-! he must have me here tomorrow again ford told me," the witness said, "I was Suppose he wants to pay my witness not to be known as a Standard man or fees, and probably offer me a chew of Missouri's Fight In New York. New York, Jan. 5. The efforts of the state of Missouri through attorney General Iladloy to get at headquarters testimony to back up the evidence secured by Missouri that the Standard.

iW'atcrs-Ptorce, Republic Internationa; end Williamson Oil Companies are all con( rolled by the same people and hence should be ousted from the stale began today before Commissioner Sanborn. William O. Rockefeller, one or the prominent persons subpoenaed was the first to arrive to give deposition. Attorney General Hadley, assistant Rush Lake and Henry Wool-man, represent Missouri. Alfred Ed-ily of Chicago, general counsel for the Standard, M.

F. Elliott of New York, another one of its legal lights, Frank Ilagerman of Kansas City and John Johnson of St. Louis, the counsel in Missouri, are among the lawyers rep-reseating the defendants. Hadley is after cumulative testimony that the ownership, management and profits of concerns pertain to the same people. Young RocUeioiler, II.

TI. Rogers, James A. Moffet, Edward Bedford, and Howard Page were all sworn at It O'clock. John Archibald was expected later. A.

B. Jockel was the first witness, when Hagermau moved that the testimony be taken in long hand under section of the stale code. Hadley Clijcctcd, but was overruled. Jockel stepped aside to permit Bedford, the manager of the Standard's export bus Iness, to take tho stand. It developed that when Rogers took the oath, he ssked tho privilege to have his testimony taken in private, and was told that tho request would be considered.

Bedford said that he had been in the oil business since 1S72, first as a salesman, and later as a member of the firm of Thompson Bedford. Hadley liskcd, "Were you absorbed by the Standard?" Objection by Howe, Bcd- f.if.l'a nuruiinnl otlftrnav nrlviswl stand and refuse to answer questions touching the affairs of the Standard OH company, Hadley had politely enough the old annoying question: "Ho you refuse to testify on the ground that the answer would incrimi nate you, or subject you to criminal prosecution Under the Missouri law, that is the proper excuse for not testifying, but, anywhere, the suggestion of such a reason cannot be put in polite enough language not to carry a sting. Rogers went'on the witness stand in the afternoon with no sign of the effort to make fun which characterized his testimony Saturday. The big stern tobacco." In this section, all Missourlans are supposed to chew tobacco, and Rogers was in the humor today to tell all Mis-sourians to go to Hades. Just for a minute his attorneys, who are not sure but that he is getting into contempt of the supreme court, bo bluntly said he did not care what the Missouri supreme court thought, but he afterward added a few words that modified the statement and took oft part ot the sting.

He was recalled about 4:43 o'clock, and Hadley reminded him that the last question before the flashlight went off was the one relating to the committee system used by the Standard Oil company to govern its affairs. Rogers said ho had not heard of a committee of the Standard Oil com pany of Indiana. Just explain what you meant by that answer, Mr. Rogers," said Had ley. 'The answer explains itself." A Marvel of Ignorance.

'Did you mean that you found tha there was no committees at 2C Broadway that had anything to do with business of lie Standard Oil company of Indiana?" 'I did not." 'Do I understand you to say lint there are not at 2G Broadway committees that have charge of business ot the various companies there controlled?" "No." "Well, are there such committees?" "I can't answer." "Does the Standard OU company of Indiana have an office at 26 Broadway?" "I don't know that it has." "You are a director of that company, are you not?" "Yes, I am." "Do you know whether ths president, Mr. Moffatt, has an office at 20 Broadway?" If he has an office there, I have never been in it." "Does tho secretary of the company have an office there?" "If, as I believe, Blr. Stahl is the secretary and treasurer, I don't think he lias an office there." His Rap at Missouri. "Do yon want to say to the supremo court of Missouri that you do not know where the general offices of the company of which you are a director are Wated?" "It is wholly Immaterial to me what the supreme court desires me to say to them, other than what I have testified to." "I did not ask what you thought of the supreme court of Missouri. Is it a fact that as a director of the Standar-1 Oil company of Indiana you do not know where its general offices are lo cated?" "Well, to be specific and accurate, I really do not know, but I shonld think on general principles that being an Indiana corporation, Its general offices and headquarters would 'be In Indiana, and furthermore, as it 13 a matter of record, I would rather refer you to the record than to trust my memory." "I still want an answer to my ques tion, Do you know whether the Standard Oil company of Indiana has an office or offices at 26 Broadway?" "I answered that In my answer, to the question as to where had his office." New York, Jan.

10. William KocS.olrtltr, who It Is believed will be the head Qt 'il Standard when the. present leaden Are goiw, will proba- In th keeping of Henry il. Uoij. cis.

and John I). Rockefeller, fiid it will all be open to you the iniii'i after you give Henry H. Rogers tha sportfully that you closj shop." Up to Supreme Ccurt. New York, Jan. 10.

The qicstbiu whether Henry H. Rogers can -jo coin- pelted to tell Attorney Oenerai Her- bert S. Hadley, of Missouri. tho Standard Oil company of New sey owns or controls three, oil companies which are selling oii in MU- Hearing in inn city weie pmseuiu i to the supremo court yesterday by counsel acting in behalf of Mr. H.iJ-ley, and the court was asked lo order Mr.

Rogers to show cause why lui should not answer them. The court issued the order and it was served ot, William Rowe, counsel for Mr. Rogers, while the hearing was still in progress, late yesterday. Mr. Hadley scatd, after consultation with counsel, that he understood that he would hava to be represented 'by counsel in this argument, but ho hopes to get in a lew words before the court.

Rogers Dodged Them All. The questions are in a diversity of form, but in substance they all are: "Does the Standard Oil company of New Jersey, either through itself of any other person or corporation, own. hold or control a majority of the stock of the Waters-Pierce Oil company of Missouri or of the Republic Oil company of New Y'ork?" No matter In what form the question has been put, Mr. Rogers has declined to answer it. The commissioner before whom the evidence is bnnl taken is powerless to compel an answer, but the supreme court has tha authority to order Mr.

Rogers to ba punished for contempt if he declines 10 answer after being ordered to da so by that court. Mr. Hadley wants this information to show that the three alleged r.uhold-iary companies are monopolizing the 011 trade of Missouri in combination, and lo induce the supreme court of Missouri to order tiiem ousted from the state. Hearing May End Today. The commissioner's hearing will In all probability be adjourned this morning to permit of attendance upon the court hearing on the order to Mr.

Rogers. The subpoena server who has been trying for several days to summon II. Clay Pierce to testify before the com missioner in this case notified Mr. Hadley last night that he had been unable to get Mr. Plei-ee, who, ho sail, had sailed away on a steam yacht.

Mr. Pierce is chairman of the boanl of direcors of the Oil company of Missouri, and father o( the president of that company. Tho subpoena server said he had pursued Mr. Pierce through a suite of rooms in a hotel occupied by Pierce anl that the latter had locked himself In' a room, Tho subpoena server then desisted. John D.

Archbold. vloa president and director of the Standard Oil company, and William G. nephew of John D. Rockefeller, were present at the hearing yesterday. They have been subpoenaed as witnesses, but were not called to testify yesterday.

Wants to Dig For Oil in Kans. Topeka, Dec. 29. An application for the right to do business in Kansas was filed with the state charter board this morning by the Frisco Oil company, Incorporated uuder the laws of Arizona. The offices of the company are in St.

Louis and nearly all tho directors are prominent in financial circles in that city. The company It incorporated for miiliou dollars, tuel the application says that the com. pany's object is to big for oil and gis. Drilled by Chanute Contractor. The Nowata Advertiser tells of Ids bringing in of a big oil well for 11.

A. Martin of that place, that will run SOU barels dally. It opens up one of ths most valuable pools in that district. The di tiling was done by Contraltos H. T.

Stalnbrook of Chanute. You will find the finest line ol vehicles and harness from which ts make a selection at Hotninjer A Mca tagus's. i the presence of reporters and cam eras. Rogers will be called this after noon on the "class In handwriting," as the proceedings are called. An adjournment was forced today to larger quarters, as Attorney Wollman's office proved too small.

Because Sanborn was on the verge of writer's cramp, it was agreed today to permit the taking of depositions on a typewriter, and a machine clicked merrily during the hearing today, H. H. Rogers was soon called. There was a painful pause as he advanced to the witness chair. He asked to be moved from tho window, saying he felt cold.

He was dressed in a gray business suit, dark 'blue tie, with large pearl pin. He asked permission to read the questions, but was refused. He stated, think my name is Henry H. Rogers, my resicletico Is New York City. I am in the oil business." "What oil companies are you connected with?" was asked.

Attorney Rowe shouted out not to answer. Commissioner Sanborn said, "The wit. ness will take- no advice from Rowe represents no parties to this action. Mr. Rowe, I insist that you do not further interrupt." Rogers declined to answer on the grounds of personal privilege.

Hadley asked, answer Incriminate or degrade you?" "No," replied Rogers. "If this question wero certified to 'the supreme court would you claim such privilege if ordered to answer?" Answer, "That would be detremined at that Question, "By whom?" Rowe jumpe.l Into the proceedings again and had a long wordy row with Sanborn, which resulted in the commissioner ordering an adjournment for lunch to avoid a disgraceful termination. Rowe ha I persisted in Interrupting in the faoa of Sanborn's threat to eject him. Finally Sanborn ordered Rowo out. Rowe did not go.

The matter was becoming awkward, when Rogers exclaimed, "I wish it was me." Then there was another pause, when Hagermau, the Standard lawyer sugtsted an adjournment, which was taken. Mi-i. Butts' testimony was valuable. From her father she inherited one trustuo'a certificate of ownership issued by the I Standard when tho Ohio anti-trust suit threatened to drive the company out of business and forced it to liquid-ale ltseif. -Her testimony told of num erous oil companies the Standard con trolled, including the Wilcrs Pierce.

Hadley and Rogers. New York, Jan. G. Ida Butts, of Marietta, the step-daughter of tha late George Rice, an oil operator who fought the Standard many years ago and went down to defeat, was the first witness today when the taking of depositions was resumed in the Missouri ouster suit against the alleged trust oil companies. Attorney Oenerai Hadley announced that Rogers' request for a private hearing would not be granted, despite the fact that Rog-ant to you," Mr.

Hadley said in answer to Rogers. "I was much disturb ed to hear that you came near being hurt In au accident, when you were avoiding Missouri in your recent Western trip. Why did you not come and see us?" "I heard you had horns," Roger3 said, '1 am glad to see you have not." Rogers was dictatorial to Hadley earlier In the day and that was ona of the reasons why the attorney general of Missouri insisted on his being in easy reach should he be wanted as a witness today. He asked for au examination in private, but later demanded the exclusion of newspaper reporters, assigning as a reason that he had asthma which would be very bad in a crowded room. Hadley promised not to Inconvenience him more than was necessary and then said: "Stay right here and I will call you as soon as I need you." Rogers stayed until after dark, two hours later than he had been down town In a year, New York people said.

He had nothing to say to anybody, but to Hadley he was sarcastically polite. Rogers probably will not go on the stand very early tomorrow. The first witness in the morning, according to present plans will be Mrs Ida Butts of Pickens, W. Va. She is a daughter of George M.

Rice, who fought the Standard OH company twenty years. She has in her posses sion some of the old trust certificates Issued years ago by the Standard OU company there was a law aga! at trusts or people knew much about them, she also knows as much as anyone not a party to he agree' ments about the be- pany, and the Waters-Pierce company! and that, while he was aware of certain acts of the Standard Oil "monopoly," he could not "fairly come wilhiu the wise restrictions" of Mr. Hadley's telegram. "While I have no personal knowledge of the three things of which your telegram treats," continued Mr. haw- son, "I have sufficient general knowledge of the subject matter of your Investigation to make it appear farcictl to me that you, with the power of the great of Missouri at your back, should want the testimony of anyone other than the band of conspirators at 2(1 Broadway and their hirelings to prove any case in which the name 'Standard Oil' appears." The.

decision was reached yesterday to ask Lawson. "If Thomas W. Lawson can throw any light on tho present trust rela tions which are said to be employed by the Standard Oil company, wo will bo glad to hao him testify," said Attorney General Hadley. "But if he can only come here and add to the sensationalism of the proceedings, I do not care to have hiin appear. If he possesses any real material facts of value, we will be glad to hear him, but for the purpose's of a general recital we do not and will not need him." Mr.

Hadley sent the following telegram to Mr. Lawson: "It you can give any information as (o relations 'between Standard Oil company of Indiana and tho Republic and Waters-Pierce Oil companies, urgently request you to come and testify. "HERBERT S. HADLEY." Lawson to Folk. Jefferson City, Jan.

10. Governor Folk last night received a 653 word telegram from Thomas W. Lawson of Boston, In which the latter states he can give evidence to the effect that the United States senate is controlled by trusts. It contains a few other Lawsonlan remarks. The telegram in part follows: I would dearly like to get a kick at a portion of the Standard's anat omy, but, while I know crimes enough of Standard Oil to start a successful campaign, my association with tho Standard Oil has shown me that their perjury mill Is as perfect as their oil monopoly, their control of the banks and trust companies of the country, or their control of Borne courts, many legislatures, and one United States senate.

"If you want absolute proof of the absolute control of the Equitable, the New Y'ork and the Mutual insurance companies at the present time, January, 1906, just at tho close ot the New York legislative investigation, by Rog ers, Rockefeller, Standard OU and the or proof of the absolute control of the United States senate or banks and trust companies, or proof of their absolute control of the railroads of our jcouutry, or how thoy rig the prices of stocks and bonds so that they may each year rob the people of hundreds of millions, or any of a score of other crimes, my reply might be different. "I have sufficient jjcneral knowledge of the subject matter of your Investigation to make it appear farcical to me that you, with the power of the great state of Missouri at your back, should want the testimony of any one other than the band of conspirators at 26 Broadway and their hirelings and to prove any case in which the knowledge of a number of their employes the documentary evidence of everything pertaining to the Caesarian birth, Fagan rearing and infamous existence of Standard Oil, the parent company, and each of the scores named 'Standard Oil' appears, if talcing advantage' ot your thoughtful'' attea- that I had ever been connected with the Standard." The witness said G. Nichols, Jennings secretary, wan president of the Republic company, with offices at 20 Broadway. Walter Teagle, a member of the firm bought out, was at present a member of the Standard committee on domestic trade. W.

T. McKee, the auditor of the Republic company, was a former auditor of the Standard. Hardcastle tofd of trade trips he made. He said the Republic's managers were under standing orders to represent the Re public company as an independent company. Its object was to get trade the Standard could not get.

Tho Republic reports were sent to 75 New which is the back door for 2U Broadway. The Republic gets Its oil from the Standard. Tlnsley and Jack-us, Standard officials, became officials of the Waters Pierce Oil company in 13H4. Witness said ho was asked to resign. Jennings offered him a ticket to Europe without a return coupon.

It was not accepted. Rogers was called again, and was still a fountain ot hu- mor, but a saver of information on oil. and was a -bad witness Will Go to Supreme Ceurt New York, Jan. 8 It developed from the questions asked by Attorney General Herbert S. Hadley of Missouri, of Henry H.

Rogers, vice president and director of the Standard Oil company, of New Jersey, that one of Mr. Hadley's chief purposes in conducting an examination of tho officers of that company in this city, is to find out whether that company owns a control ling interest in the Standard Oil com pany of Indiana, the Waters-Pierce Oil company of Missouri, and the Republic Oil company. This, Mr. Hadley sail Saturday night, ho regards as the first step in the direction of excluding these three latter companies from doing business in Missouri. To most of the Important questions asked, by Mr.

Hadley bearing directly on the question of stock ownership, Mr. Rogers declined to give any answers, "on the advice of counsel," and Mr. Hadley requested Commissioner Frederick H. NSanborn to certify the questions and Mr. Rogers' refusal to aiswer them to the supreme court ot this state as to whether Mr.

Rogers must answer them or 'be adjudged in contempt. New York, Jan. 9. When the big motor car that curries H. H.

Rogers to and from his office turned out of Wall street soon after 5:30 o'clock ester day afternoon and started rapidly in the direction of the Rogers mansion at Fifty-seventh street, near Fifth ave nue, It carried a passenger who did not mind the cold. Snow was flying, and the wind was cold and piercing enough to make a TCansan think of blizzards, but it is doubtful if Rogers noticed the weather. He left the room where depositions in tho Missouri case are being-taken in a hot temper that was anything but pleasant. He had spent most of the day waiting to testify, dancing attendance on a young attorney general from Missouri. Once when Ue got on the witness stand, his ancient enemies, the newspaper camera fiends had driven everybody out of the room, Rogers leading the way, by touching off a powder train that led to three flashlight cameras and filled the place with suffocating smoke.

The next time he was ac called until 4:45 o'clock lu the a time whtA most multimillionaires have finished business' and are away from Wall street. lUltta fclW MV.W.UV, V. lilm not to answer. A long legal argument took place, after which the commissioner ordered Bedford to answer. "By the advice of counsel I de cline to answer," ho said.

Hadley Rsked, "What was your next employ ment?" Tin attorney objected, and lledford declined to answer. 'Hadley anhed that the question be certified to tho supreme court. V- Bedford said he was a director in t'ue Standard Oil company, and declined to answer numerous questions. Hadley asked "Do you refuse because your answers will tend to incriminate you and make you subject to criminal prosecution?" Bedford replied, "I liave no reison except those stated." Hartley asked the commissioner 10 make Bedford reply, then asked that this question also 1)0 certified to tho Biiprme court. Rowe objected, and 6anborn refused to note it.

Rowe lost tiis temper nnd intimated strongly that Ganborn was ignorant of law. Sanborn told Rowo to conduct himself re- tuieetfully or he would be ejected. Now York, Jan. C. "I have enjoyed myself very much today, Mr.

Had ley," H. H. Rogers, head of the Oil company, said to Herbert S. Hadley, attorney general of Missouri, at o'clock this afternoon. Mr.

Hadley "bad just told Mr. Rogers, W. Rockefeller and J. A. Moffatt that he would not need them today and they might go uuii' tomorrow morning.

Thoro. Is no way of telling what Mr. Rogers said under his breath, for tho truth is that for the first time in his life he had spent most of a whole day cooped up with his millionaire associates In a little room adjoining Henry office at 14 Broadway. They ivuro waiting their turns as witnesses lu the taking of depositions in the suit brought by Mr. Hadley in the name uf the stale of Missouri against the fcl'audard Oil company.

They had kept tho doors shut excluding themselves from the public all day and what they must have said about Missouri may not have agreed with the pleabHut remark to Hadley tonight, fjy evening Mr. Rogers began to show i little nervousness. He walked hack nnd forth talking with the witnesses ind lawyers and his face -wore an expression of real hatred when he said what little he had to say to Hadley. Iowever, all of the trust magnates r.ere disposed to be polite, particularly as they all joined in asking a favor ii. at Kdward Belford.

who was on the itand much of the time, hut told very IHUq today, be allowed to spend Saturday in his country Mr. Hadley Polite Too. -I the iay baa eu plsa.